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00:01:31: And welcome to the effective statistician podcast.

00:01:34: My name is Alan Bedding and in this podcast I explore topics that can help a statistician become more effective.

00:01:41: Today, i'm joined by my good friend Richard Zink from Jump who...I've had the pleasure of knowing for a long time!

00:01:48: I am going to let Richard introduce himself in a minute but.. ..i just want say we're gonna be discussing topic which listeners may think at first.

00:01:57: what's it got do with becoming an effective statistician or being an effective leader?

00:02:03: And that's applied improvisation.

00:02:06: I personally have done some applied improvisations in coaching, and so this is a topic that's dear to my heart.

00:02:13: Richard also has pre-conference workshop at the PSI conference this year... ...and i'm sure the conversation we're having will inspire people to register for that conference!

00:02:26: So hello Richard.

00:02:27: maybe you could start by giving yourself a brief introduction?

00:02:32: Thanks for having me Alan and happy to be here.

00:02:36: Yeah, I'm Richard Zink.

00:02:38: i have been a professional bio statistician and software developer For more than twenty years.

00:02:45: And yeah i'm here To talk a little bit about applied improv how we got into it?

00:02:50: And How its useful for statisticians.

00:02:52: if you'd asked Me eight Years ago If i had ended up where i am i probably would've laughed at You.

00:02:59: but now that i'm Here It does seem kind of natural in trying to work with statisticians and data scientists.

00:03:08: And I guess, scientists have all stripes introducing them through applied improv learning useful skills but having a lot of fun while doing it.

00:03:17: so maybe you can tell me about that story.

00:03:19: how did you get into improv?

00:03:21: Then realize this is something we could do as statistician leaders.

00:03:25: Starting off, I've always been a fan of improv and... ...I was a huge fan growing up.

00:03:34: Whose line is it anyway?

00:03:36: I started watching the British version on Comedy Central when i was in high school And so I thought that's hilarious!

00:03:43: I'm amazed at how they could just come with this stuff off their head.

00:03:49: I never really thought about it much beyond that, other than just a way of trying to be funny or entertaining.

00:03:56: And i think maybe eight or nine years ago... ...I don't remember the exact year but when I was listening to a podcast- The WTF Podcast with Mark Marin and he was having an interview discussion with Alan Aldo who's an actor Namely, Enmash.

00:04:14: He hosted Scientific American Discoveries for a long time and he was talking about how scientists when hosting this show would have these discussions with scientists you'd be really interested in what they were saying very understandable and relatable.

00:04:30: And then the camera would go on, they'd go into full-on scientist mode... What he thought he understood?

00:04:38: He had no idea what was happening anymore!

00:04:41: I guess in reflecting over this course of many years where he sort of discovered or thought about how skills have applied improv could be really useful for scientists.

00:04:51: When hearing these podcasts it's kind of weird that you know introduced to this idea of something that I thought about purely from a comedic standpoint, but now learning useful skills in terms of thinking on your feed and leadership and communication.

00:05:09: It's sort of...I felt like i had permission now to learn applied improv.

00:05:14: so I looked for a course locally.

00:05:17: there was an omni group near the university of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

00:05:22: And they had a lot of courses, Improv for Business People, Improved For This Sort Of Group of People and I asked if you ever thought about an improv-for-scientists class?

00:05:33: Probably that email said yeah sure we do!

00:05:36: They formed An Improv-For-Scientist Class.

00:05:39: There was maybe a dozen different kinds of scientists.

00:05:44: That started my journey with it

00:05:48: And I reflected on my journey into improv.

00:05:52: I didn't attend an improv class, but i was always amazed by it on the TV.

00:05:56: and then there's... An advert went out for a course called Coaching with Presence?

00:06:00: That is all about improv!

00:06:02: It's a fantastic course or fantastic workshops-a day workshop and we just do improv all day.

00:06:07: And what that's teaching you is, in the moment your being present... You maintain that presence with a person who you're being because y'all know from an input perspective if you can't think of one I'm going to say next?

00:06:19: Just step-in & Say it!

00:06:20: Then you'll see whats coming up for YOU IN THE MOMENT.

00:06:23: You talk about thinking on YOUR FEET AND i think thats one of the massive things that improv actually teaches you.

00:06:29: Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:30: I know this is a highly scripted conversation that we're having right now.

00:06:34: That's an improv joke But yeah the idea.

00:06:36: but you can put yourself in any situation and so You develop this confidence in yourself that i can go into Any situation?

00:06:46: I Can have A conversation And i can react Appropriately And figure out where things need to Go!

00:06:54: It not just about thinking About Where YOU NEED TO GO.

00:06:58: A lot of the idea of improv is figuring out how to go some place with other people, so... ...figuring out how they're together.

00:07:06: Developing and practicing listening skills and support for others.

00:07:13: I think i really grown to appreciate this idea of making it a journey for the team or the group and not just about yourself giving every idea a chance to shine.

00:07:28: And letting all those things happen organically in the presence of a group, whatever ideas that people share and throw out there...I think its pretty remarkable where you can end up.

00:07:41: Yeah, and I like that bit where you talked about.

00:07:43: it's not just about you.

00:07:45: It is about your partnership with others And I reflect on what there is about coaching Is about a partnership?

00:07:51: You're one of the principles we would talk about and promise to make Your partner look good so you'll know how bad it's all about us very actually working together and picking up The conversation where he left off.

00:08:02: Probably the one thing that people hear about improv is this idea of yes and, This concept.

00:08:08: That if somebody makes an offer to you You'll not just accept it but with the yes aspect of it, you'll accept it.

00:08:17: But then build upon it and when you think about that applies to any conversation.

00:08:22: You ask someone a question like are you enjoying the weather today?

00:08:27: if they just respond Yes or no?

00:08:29: That kind of effectively shuts down The Conversation.

00:08:32: so It's this not only Just Responding but also adding To keep the conversation going.

00:08:39: I Think that concept It's certainly one of the more famous ones, and... The one that I've really grown to appreciate even more is this concept of got your back.

00:08:50: Use improv a way of improving my interpersonal skills but also perform as well.

00:08:58: Maybe I don't know if people think that, oh.

00:09:00: If i'm doing improvisation and have to perform you don't but it's also great practice But one thing when you perform with other People is this idea of...I've got your back And This ritual..i really love.

00:09:14: Before performances where....if You're gonna go out in front Of a group of people ,you Have no Idea what they are going to suggest.

00:09:21: .You have No Idea Where things Are Going To Go.

00:09:23: ..You have NO IDEA IF YOU'RE GONNA BE FUNNY OR ENTERTAINING.

00:09:26: BUT BEFORE WE GO OUT there, everybody passes every other person on the back and says I've got your back.

00:09:32: And it's this sort of verbal acknowledgement commitment to each other that we don't know what's going to happen but i'm gonna do everything I can make you look good!

00:09:43: And I hope you're gonna do the same for me...and hey..I think thats very powerful.

00:09:47: yeah....i love that idea if you have your back because that implies a certain amount togetherness with everything.

00:09:54: You mentioned something there about being funny and being entertaining, I know a lot of people will go because whose line is it anyway?

00:10:01: It's amusing!

00:10:02: But no one would think if i've got to do some applied improv just gotta be funny.

00:10:07: but that isn't the case.

00:10:09: you have to be yourself in spirit.

00:10:12: then you'll get that presence...it doesn't mean you're cracking jokes every five minutes.

00:10:18: Yeah, I absolutely agree with that.

00:10:20: There's a lot about improv.

00:10:22: It's really just showing up with your authentic self.

00:10:26: That can be funny and serious.

00:10:30: You could be vulnerable But it is this idea of putting yourself out there And responding to other people accordingly.

00:10:41: So I tried to, when... ...I try make it really clear that the goal of what we're trying do today isn't trying be funny.

00:10:48: The goal is not making each other laugh.

00:10:50: That being said

00:10:52: My Happens.

00:10:53: It happens naturally and we always end up in these bizarre places where things are exceedingly funny, often from the people you expect it to be.

00:11:02: But that's not about being funny but learning how to communicate more effectively with other people.

00:11:15: So

00:11:15: tell me more about how this became a workshop.

00:11:19: How do you become to be teaching?

00:11:21: This is a workshop,

00:11:23: so I'm gonna let our dirty little secret as statisticians that we're not particularly extroverted and extrovert it or introverted.

00:11:34: the bottom line is We don't get A lot of training in interpersonal or communication skills, and that's just the facts.

00:11:43: And in reflecting on people who develop a lot of really cool ideas... A lot of technical ideas Even if you develop all this great technical stuff If you don't communicate it and share it You've created all these technical things that effectively go nowhere.

00:12:06: So, I think for me in thinking about what can i do with this material?

00:12:12: I feel like I've gotten a lot out of it.

00:12:14: It's just morphed over time into this idea...I want to share these kinds of ideas with other quantitative scientists.

00:12:23: and thinking about communication and how we interact with one another.

00:12:30: And I think also too when you talk about leadership and communication topics with people, they're like... They think about it in this very point.

00:12:38: You know?

00:12:39: Like oh we're gonna talk about Leadership or We're going to Talk About Communication.

00:12:43: then our minds are probably thinking that sounds pretty dull and awful But but doesn't necessarily have To be.

00:12:49: and i think That's one of the cool things about improv is that we're playing a bunch Of games And in the process of playing these games we're actually learning really valuable lessons, really valuable skills.

00:13:03: Basically all this theoretical textbook-like stuff that could read from any book chapter or article like... We are putting it into practice!

00:13:15: trying to within the last few years train other statisticians and data scientists or at least introduce it so that if they have an interest in developing further, They can explore their local opportunities.

00:13:31: Yeah It sounds I remember when i've done the coaching mid-presence now three times.

00:13:36: That's how much I love it And I learned something new every time I do but there's very little coaching on it.

00:13:42: It's similar to what you're talking about, I guess when you do the improv for leaders and stylists, this is not about how are we going to go communicate some statistical topics in the improv session?

00:13:51: Actually no!

00:13:52: We're learning something new that we can then take outside and use our everyday lives as opposed.

00:14:01: What you said is really interesting, like learning something every time you do it.

00:14:07: and I think that's the really interesting thing about doing a workshop.

00:14:13: You're in a room with small group of other... people, and because everything's happening spontaneously.

00:14:21: And you're reacting to the people in the room like each.

00:14:25: every person is bringing their experience there knowledge their skills they are funny.

00:14:32: comments on all of that gets mixed together.

00:14:35: And yeah, I haven't done it many more times than you but each and every time i've learned something new.

00:14:43: It's made me think about things in very different ways that can take to the next course after that.

00:14:52: So yes...I may be a ringleader trying manage chaos But this chaos we're creating together is really pretty cool.

00:15:03: It's like organized chaos.

00:15:05: Yeah, exactly!

00:15:07: I did a workshop recently with MMA on leadership stuff and... In the communications bit, we did a little bit of online improv.

00:15:16: And I could be honest... ...I'd never done it on-line before and we improved the improv.

00:15:20: but i had a plan or thought well this is what im gonna do.

00:15:22: But actually didn't happen like that.

00:15:24: things just happened organically.. ..and i have no idea where its all going!

00:15:27: It worked really well and everybody got involved....it was just brilliant.

00:15:31: So idon't know if that even relates to you?

00:15:34: Just an example for when you can actually do it on line.

00:15:37: people think oh no hast' been in person but now you can do these sort stuff aswell.

00:15:41: I think when the world shut down due to COVID in twenty-twenty, there were a whole lot of groups and people myself included who are taking classes or working with teams or performing.

00:15:55: And they're like what do i Do now?

00:15:57: I can't interact face To Face With People.

00:15:59: A lot Of People Really Dug Into An Explored Online Improvisation.

00:16:06: There's Certainly A Lot Of Modifications You Have To Make And there's certain exercises that may or may not be as successful online, but I do think it opens up some different possibilities.

00:16:20: You may not necessarily be able to do face-to-face.

00:16:24: so There are a whole lot of people who offer improv training Online and you were talking about how?

00:16:31: Do i learn this stuff.

00:16:32: where do i learn it from?

00:16:33: and if i had been doing improv and i was looking To take That next step How do I figure out about how to start creating material or organizing materials?

00:16:45: That's a lot harder to find, but i found this online course.

00:16:50: They call it train the trainer so learning how you create your own workshops.

00:16:56: and so for Two full weekends, I did this train the trainer course where we talked about the fundamentals and then We had to create our own one-hour program that we then offered To all the other people in the course And two people who could randomly join from outside The course.

00:17:15: Yeah it was really useful.

00:17:17: but i have yet to go back to the online stuff because i'm Really enjoying the in person connection Right now.

00:17:28: But that's because you're in the US and I'm in the UK, it would be fantastic if we did this in person?

00:17:34: Yeah!

00:17:34: That is a great thing.

00:17:36: when i took to class there was someone from New Zealand.

00:17:39: There were some people who are in Peru People on the West Coast.

00:17:44: You can do with them all across the world And I certainly appreciate The ability of doing so but...I don't know If This something I didn't really know about myself how absolutely important it was for me to have these face-to-face and in person interactions, this whole virtualization of work and interacting with people.

00:18:08: I really struggle with that but i really appreciate and want you interact with connections.

00:18:18: But yeah, online or in-person these types of skills can definitely be learned.

00:18:23: and I mentioned at the start this episode that you're doing this workshop but they PSI conference.

00:18:28: now i'm a listener i'm sitting there listening.

00:18:30: i'm really interested.

00:18:31: yes Richard what can i expect for this workshop at PSI Conference?

00:18:36: I think this will be The third major conference That have offered This class And it is A unique offering.

00:18:44: The typical classes, you go into a room.

00:18:47: You hear a bunch of experts give technical material at the end of the course.

00:18:52: You go on your way and I think that thing that's unique about this is we're going to be interacting with each other.

00:18:59: We are doing different exercises And in doing it ,we start out with basics Introducing who each person is What their experience is Learning some details About each others likes & dislikes those kinds of things.

00:19:15: And that's typical in the improv course workshop because part being an effective communicator is making yourself vulnerable and listening sharing details with yourself.

00:19:29: And so we start out there and then a series of exercises when just getting used to thinking on our feet, practicing listening, practicing supporting people being willing to make ridiculous noises or body motions.

00:19:47: but even after We do all these exercises Even the ones that seem like There's no benefit have a discussion afterwards and talk about what did we do?

00:19:57: What just happened, how does this... these skills seem like they're useful in the workplace or everyday life.

00:20:04: So I think that's a little taste of what people can expect.

00:20:08: They give you specific example.

00:20:10: there is one exercise i've really grown to love it called gibberish.

00:20:15: I've done this myself, so yeah.

00:20:17: This is brilliant.

00:20:18: Yeah So gibberish is an exercise where you pick two people and You give them a situation And they need to act out the situation But they don't speak in normal words.

00:20:33: They just say whatever random gobbledygook comes to their mind.

00:20:38: And so the way I've done it in class is that what people are actually doing, Is a secret and after The participants do Their scene we ask all the other People What just happened In this scene?

00:20:50: Almost every single time Just based on the body language Based On the emotion Based on how people Are interacting almost Every single Time they're able To guess word for word what That scene was about.

00:21:03: So what does that tell you?

00:21:05: We can communicate Communicate an awful lot without saying a single word.

00:21:10: that might see obvious on the surface.

00:21:12: And I had this aha moment talking to the class about there's look at how much we're able To communicate.

00:21:17: so if i'm up in The front of her room or i'm giving A presentation and i Look bored, or i look annoyed my boredom?

00:21:24: My noid attitude is going.

00:21:26: To be communicated to the people i'm trying to interact with And they are gonna respond accordingly either Turning their brains off go into Their laptops saying what's this guy talking about.

00:21:37: So understanding that is really important.

00:21:41: and as I'm explaining this to the students, in saying look at how much we're communicating...I had this epiphany like when my wife tells me what's wrong, and I say nothing.

00:21:51: Like she absolutely knows something is wrong because my body is basically screaming it at the top of its lungs.

00:21:58: so i'm like okay... So even though I know that fundamentally in that moment and having that moment with the class oh yeah!

00:22:07: I am not fooling anybody-I AM ABSOLUTELY COMMUNICATING THAT.

00:22:10: SO I MAY AS WELL JUST BE OPEN AND HONEST AND SAY WHAT'S ON MY MIND.

00:22:17: When you're doing it, even if your'e doing something silly or not really related to work.

00:22:23: I think they are very powerful and allows you to think about things in a new unique way that You can take home and use an everyday life.

00:22:32: You Can Take Home And Use when Your Talking With Students Or Your Co-Workers

00:22:38: Yeah!

00:22:39: Thinking About In The Workplace If You Are In The Pharmaceutical.

00:22:42: And So For Example You Might Be Talking To A Medic who actually might be, you might be speaking gobbledygook to them.

00:22:48: but if you're trying to explain something and your body language is saying something positive they're going to be more engaged.

00:22:55: They are gonna be willing to ask a question or challenge on certain things in the right way as opposed being some aggressive challenge The Gobbledy-Goo.

00:23:05: I love it!

00:23:08: It was just brilliant doing that almost like the more commendi type of language we did.

00:23:15: absolutely hilarious, so I get that one.

00:23:17: The other one that i've done several times is it's called the story.

00:23:21: they will never be told again and so you get everybody in the class who say okay give us a scenario and then you start from one side to the start of the finish and a person walks into the story where they think their piece will fit him well and what you get them is a whole story that fits together.

00:23:39: at first it doesn't make any sense but when everyone It could be.

00:23:45: if you think to yourself, I'm going step in now and do my point.

00:23:47: Now And just stepping at the right time because he's stepping too early You've got remember your piece for ad nauseam Because you carry on repeating the peace as other people come In a few make it so complicated then again?

00:24:00: You won't be able to remember what you gotta say.

00:24:02: So you're gonna Make it distinct an understandable and so you can Remember As well.

00:24:07: But is a great one that we Do every Time At The end of the workshops.

00:24:11: Yeah, that is a fun one.

00:24:12: And what you said was really important keeping it simple making things memorable.

00:24:19: I think That's certainly a lesson we can learn especially when dealing with non-statistician so clinician example You were giving before like how could share statistical ideas in way other people can embrace and keep it simple enough that they can remember or repeat it to somebody else.

00:24:42: Yeah, there's a ton of exercises just on the idea of simplifying things and trying to do in a brief period time is so much fun!

00:24:52: I love this idea of simplifying things.

00:24:54: That really resonates with me, particularly my brain but... ...I love the idea of Simplification simple statements, simple questions and simple answers.

00:25:04: somebody else can remember.

00:25:06: And to point you brought up too about the clinical colleague in them interpreting your body language as potentially being hostile or aggressive Or unenthusiastic.

00:25:17: just in learning ourselves and how to interpret people's body language or their face, and how they're reacting to things.

00:25:25: And if they are looking at you or behaving it a certain way like my message isn't landing with this person based on How They Are Looking At Mequisitely Or Just Their Body Language.

00:25:36: So Like You Giving A Presentation To A Crowd I Don'T Know How Other People Do It But There Is Always A Couple Faces In The Crowd That I See Who Are Really Paying Attention.

00:25:45: Those Are the Ones that I tend to return too, as i'm giving a talk because I know they're paying attention and just... They serve is the good gauge.

00:25:54: Because they are paying attention then if say something doesn't make sense or hasn't landed it can tell from their face.

00:26:03: so maybe add more detail in different way.

00:26:08: But yeah, that's the cool thing about it I think.

00:26:10: That all really just comes down to communication and how we're interacting with one another...

00:26:17: Yeah!

00:26:18: And actually you just sparked something in me there.

00:26:21: doing improv has probably improved my presentation skills as well because i have no fear of standing up there in front of an audience.

00:26:28: but i probably didn't have that much fear before.

00:26:30: but I've got even less fear now because when you do improv, we're gonna fail.

00:26:35: At some point wherever the fails are right word they're going to make a mistake.

00:26:38: something's gonna happen.

00:26:39: and these days when i step up in front of an audience so if i'm making mistakes okay...I made a mistake.

00:26:45: well move on.

00:26:46: most time they probably won't realize she made a.

00:26:48: Let me ask you, talking about your confidence.

00:26:52: I don't know if you ever suffered from imposter syndrome or being too hard on yourself do feel like improv.

00:26:59: it's helped with that?

00:27:07: I know i've had imposter syndrome at various different points in my career and even when left the corporate world, I have this Imposter Syndrome.

00:27:16: Who am I to start my own business?

00:27:19: And become a coach outside of what I was doing before?

00:27:22: so yeah...I think we all suffer from that Imposter syndrome.

00:27:25: Yeah, prior to I think it was when i took the effective statistician course which this is probably back in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen.

00:27:35: When we're talking about what are your long term goals?

00:27:39: What do you want to do for yourself.

00:27:43: And I listed out the obvious, doing this task or that task and climbing this mountain whatever.

00:27:50: but one thing i did...I saved those goals and I revisit them every so often.

00:27:55: then The One Thing I Wrote Down That I'd Forgotten About Was Addressing Or Working On My Imposter Syndrome.

00:28:02: This It's So Weird That people being so capable, think about these things are so self-critical.

00:28:11: Yeah I saw it.

00:28:13: when i looked back at these goals recently and thought about imposter syndrome was like they really felt more of a non issue to me...I can only think the improv that I've been doing over the last seven or eight years is maybe addressed.

00:28:30: I think it all just comes down to this confidence that i can go into a situation now and not fall flat on my face, or even if i do fall flat in the face who cares pick myself up dust me off.

00:28:44: And keep going.

00:28:45: but yeah...I feel like the volume of that has been turned- Not all the way down to zero!

00:28:50: But it's been turned way down..and by itself is really helpful.

00:28:56: Yeah absolutely.

00:28:58: So we talked about the workshop coming up and I'll put a link in the show notes to that Workshop.

00:29:03: if people want to get hold of you outside Of the workshop.

00:29:07: What's the best way to contact?

00:29:08: You

00:29:09: there's always linkedin, I'm on LinkedIn have been on LinkedIn for awhile happy To connect with anybody.

00:29:15: Certainly, there's my email and I can give you an e-mail address that you could maybe put in the podcast notes.

00:29:22: I'm happy to talk with people about improv or other things like data visualization... ...or other professional topics just random leadership topics where we can talk about improv until the wheels fall off of a car.

00:29:37: but yeah connecting through LinkedIn or e-mails certainly.

00:29:41: And the one last thing I always ask a question of my guests, who i have on the podcast.

00:29:46: As to if you could give your audience One Tip and im gonna ask you A One Tip around improv here.

00:29:53: but If You Could Give People One Tip What Would That Tip Be?

00:29:56: So you brought up The Idea Of Mistakes Making A Mistake.

00:30:01: There Was Certainly A Point In My Life Where...I was so petrified and terrified of making a mistake that It almost led to a sort of paralysis in just doing anything.

00:30:15: And it took a long time to recover from that, but I think if you think of mistakes as the best learning opportunity That's... If truly make a mistake You're gonna learn from it and become an expert on how not do that again.

00:30:34: But we often throw around the idea of I made a mistake, i think.

00:30:39: A little bit too much...I think oftentimes what we say that's done as a mistake isn't necessarily a mistake but it is something we could have done better right?

00:30:49: So you can always do something with enough time and resources sufficient amount thinking so its possible to do whether or not something is truly a mistake, are not questionable.

00:31:02: But I would have people think about that.

00:31:05: but Tina Fey who's an American improviser Saturday Night Live with the book Bossy Pants really famous comedian she talks about The idea of mistakes as being opportunities though even if things don't go as planned Go South.

00:31:23: oftentimes those quote-unquote mistakes take us in really new or interesting directions.

00:31:31: We just need to be open to the possibilities of potentially going in those new and interesting directions.

00:31:40: so I would think, just reflect on whether not what you're actually doing is a mistake.

00:31:45: but yeah don't let the fear of making one keep you from doing anything else.

00:31:50: i love that!

00:31:51: Don't Let The Fear Of Making A Mistake Stop You From Almost Like Carrying On.

00:31:55: love it.

00:31:56: So with that Richard, big thank you!

00:31:59: I know the audience will learn an awful lot from this podcast and fingers crossed i would encourage people if you're really interested in the whole improv then register for Richard's workshop at The PSI Conference.

00:32:12: so Thank You very much Richard.

00:32:14: Thanks for having me, Alan.

00:32:15: I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to talk about improv and talk about the course And yeah if nothing else You'll have an entertaining four hours with a group of fellow statisticians.

00:32:29: Even if you decide to never ever do it again.

00:32:32: There will be a whole lot of fun for four hours.

00:32:35: Absolutely brilliant.

00:32:37: Thank you very much and goodbye listeners.

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